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Nanashi Mumeiの前世(中の人)はShachimu 年齢や顔出しは?

ホロライブENに所属しているチャンネル登録者数19万人を超えるNanashi Mumei(七詩ムメイ/ななしむめい)の前世(中の人)、年齢や顔出しについてまとめました。

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Nanashi Mumeiの前世(中の人)はShachimu(Tarah)

Nanashi Mumei(七詩ムメイ/ななしむめい)の前世(中の人)はYouTuberのShachimuということが判明しました。

その他の名義:hazzlur, 03fay, tarah_ble

Shachimu(Tarah)は2013年10月21日にYouTubeチャンネルを開設し活動を開始しました。アニメーションミームやスピードペイント(早描き)動画を多数投稿していました。

2016年2月頃もしくはそれ以前からShachimu(Tarah)はEinshine(チャンネル12)という当時チャンネル登録者数が100万人を超えていた人物と関わっていました。

そのEinshineは元彼女3人から小児性愛(paedophilia)や法定強姦、精神的虐待と告発され消えました。

Shachimu(Tarah)はEinshineのことを擁護していたみたいです。(from thread 12

https://archive.is/dN6vP

2018年7月21日に投稿された「solo meme」は960万回以上再生されており一番人気の動画となっています。

2017年7月25日にはTwitchにて「BECOMING DOLPHIN AT 200 FOLLOWERS」というタイトルで初配信を行い配信活動を開始しました。

配信内容としては主に、Artジャンルで177時間、Creativeジャンルで78時間、雑談を72時間、Overwatchを15時間、Apex Legendsを12時間、VALORANTを12時間などその他多数のゲーム配信を行っていました。

基本的にはお絵かき配信がメインでしたがFPSゲームも少しやっているみたいですね。

https://twitchtracker.com/shachimu/games

Nanashi Mumeiは2021年8月23日に初配信を行いVTuberデビューしましたが、ShachimuはTwitchでの配信が2021年6月12日から行われていないので関連性が高いです。

彼氏はいる

Shachimuは2021年2月1日に以下のようなツイートを行っていました。

私は子犬のお世話をして「bf」と一緒の時間を過ごします。

私はかなり幸せだよ。

というような内容のツイートです。bfは「boy friend」もしくは「best friend」が考えられますが、幸せなのを強調しておりツイートも削除していることから彼氏(boy friend)の可能性のほうが高いと思われます。

2020年8月17日にはShachimu宛のリプライに彼氏のシャツは何か聞いているツイートが存在しています。

2020年7月には彼氏に対しての気持ちをツイートしていました。

「彼氏は素晴らしい人で彼が見せて教えてくれたものすべてに感謝しています。一緒に人生を経験していることが嬉しいと思っています。」

「彼はとても美しい男です。私は彼をとても愛していて私の人生に迎い入れています。」

という感じの彼氏が大好きなことを語っているツイートです。

彼氏候補1

2019年10月15日にShachimuと寿司デートをしたことを画像付きでツイートしていたのがXeiv@IPXakachiで鍵垢になりました。

彼氏候補2

2020年7月~9月頃に彼氏と思われる人物とのツーショット画像を何枚も投稿していました。

https://twitter.com/shhshhmoo/status/1289194820028645377
https://twitter.com/shachimu/status/1295075923180441600
https://twitter.com/shhshhmoo/status/1302852172829270019

この時期にShachimuは彼氏がいることと、「視聴者との関係に興味がないので期待しないでね。関係を持つことが目的の場合フォローしたりやりとりしないで。」

というような内容をツイートしています。

その後、彼氏のアカウントにガチ恋(Simping)しているとリプライしていることが確認できます。

marcel@JVIarcelが彼氏のアカウントですね。

https://twitter.com/jviarcel

Nanashi Mumeiの前世(中の人)がShachimuとわかる比較

声や話し方が一致しておりイラストが得意など多数の共通点があります。

Nanashi Mumeiのデビュー時期に合わせて過去のShachimu(Tarah)動画が非公開&削除、SNSアカウントなどの削除、Twitterを鍵垢にするなど完全に同一人物な動きをしています。

イラストの比較

Nanashi Mumeiの初配信での待機画面など自身で描いたと思われるイラストとShachimuの投稿しているイラストが非常によく似ていることが確認できます。

Nanashi Mumei(七詩ムメイ/ななしむめい)のイラスト

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2gwJ-7s0Zo

Shachimuのイラスト

東京喰種トーキョーグールが好き

Nanashi Mumeiは初配信にて好きな漫画に東京喰種トーキョーグールを挙げていますが、Shachimuも同じように好きだったことが確認できます。

Nanashi Mumei(七詩ムメイ/ななしむめい)の配信

漫画の東京喰種トーキョーグールがとてもお気に入りと言っていました。

https://youtu.be/M2gwJ-7s0Zo?t=1193

Shachimuの動画

2017年5月21日には東京喰種トーキョーグールのmemeを投稿しており好きだったことが確認できます。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tOS_aTajc

Twitterのリプライには「オリジナルのイラストが好きですが東京喰種トーキョーグールのイラストも大好きです。」と言われています。

この反応から東京喰種トーキョーグールのイラストを描いていたことがわかりますね。

フクロウが好き

Nanashi Mumeiは神々に作られた概念ではないので自分の姿を自由に選べることからフクロウの見た目に選んだという設定ですが、Tarah( Shachimu )も過去に投稿していた動画にフクロウが登場しています。

Nanashi Mumeiの初配信

公式のプロフィールや初配信ではフクロウの姿を自ら選んだとの説明があります。

https://youtu.be/M2gwJ-7s0Zo?t=739

Tarah( Shachimu )の動画

過去に投稿していた動画にはフクロウを映していることからフクロウが好きだったことが確認できます。

笑い声が完全一致

Nanashi Mumeiは2021年9月2日にHuman: Fall Flatのコラボ配信をTsukumo Sanaと行っていましたが、笑いながら話す声がShachimuと完全に一致しています。

Nanashi MumeiとShachimuの笑い声比較

Nanashi MumeiとShachimuの声の比較

Nanashi Mumei(七詩ムメイ/ななしむめい)の声

【DEBUT STREAM】Oh? OH! #holoCouncil #hololiveEnglish
【DEBUT STREAM】Oh? OH! #holoCouncil #hololiveEnglish

Shachimuの声

country roads take me home to the placE
country roads take me home to the placE
NEMU | Gacha Life 2 | Speedpaint Voiceover
NEMU | Gacha Life 2 | Speedpaint Voiceover

Trust(03fay)の声

Trust_Soundcloud

ドラマCDの「ひぐらしのなく頃に 解 ~罪滅し編~」のEDテーマである「あの日、あの場所、全てに『ありがとう』」の弾き語りをSoundCloudに投稿していました。

Trust_Soundcloud

Nanashi Mumeiはギターで曲を作ることを目標に掲げていたことから関連性が高いです。

shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の年齢や顔出しは?

Shachimu(Tarah)のプロフィールは公開されているようで生年月日は1998年5月6日で年齢は23歳となります。

https://twitter.com/Akira_Drawing/status/1125132894345674752

この誕生日ツイートではTarahと呼ばれていますのでShachimuの本名がTarahっていうことがわかりますね。

顔出しに関しては過去に行っていました。化粧などの差でわかりずらいですが鼻の形と眉は完全に一致しているのでわかりやすいです。

2016年頃?のtumblrに使用していたサムネイル↓↓

shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔2
https://archive.is/IOQap

mylife.comに設定されていた画像↓↓

shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔3
https://www.mylife.com/tarah-vandezande/e101133016687830

その他投稿されていた画像↓↓

shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔4
shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔5
shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔6
shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔7
shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔8
shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔9
shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔10
shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔11

whalesについて語っていた動画で壁紙には東京喰種トーキョーグールのイラストがあります。↓

2014年頃にYouTubeに投稿していたものでデビュー後非公開(右が Shachimu )↓↓

shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の顔1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8rUANZWo-8

動画の概要欄にはTarahのYouTubeアカウントのURLが貼られており「03fay」というIDを使用していたことが確認できます。

Shachimuはwhales(くじら、イルカ)やorca(シャチ)好きとして有名ですが、TarahのFacebookと03fayのサウンドカードにもwhalesの画像が使用されています。

Tarahは米国海洋大気庁へ請願を開始していました。(Help retire Lolita to help the Southern Residents and more strict with MSQ

マイアミ・シークアリウムのシャチがすごい狭い水槽で収容されており自由に泳ぎ回ったりできない環境から助ける為の活動をしていたようです。

まとめ

  • Nanashi Mumei(七詩ムメイ/ななしむめい)の前世(中の人)はYouTubeでアニメーションミームやスピードペイント動画を投稿しているShachimu
  • Nanashi MumeiとShachimuは声や話し方が完全に一致しており、イラストが得意、東京喰種トーキョーグールが好き、フクロウが好きなど多数の共通点がある
  • Shachimu(Nanashi Mumei)の年齢は23歳で顔出しは過去にしていた

コメント

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  • ペラペラと英語の話せるアメリカ人です。”bf”の意味 は「彼氏」で、「友人」じゃないです。

  • ずっと騙されていて、ななしに彼氏がいるとは思っていなかった
    Zutto damasa rete ite, Nanashi ni kareshi ga iru to wa omotte inakatta。

  • “Ehhh not sure about this both the art and voice sound pretty different to me”

    You’re coping. Their voices sound exactly the same. The only difference is she’s singing as Shachimu and not as Mumei. The tone of the voices is exactly the same. It’s her. Shachimu is Mumei.

  • “You’re coping. Their voices sound exactly the same. The only difference is she’s singing as Shachimu and not as Mumei. The tone of the voices is exactly the same. It’s her. Shachimu is Mumei.”

    There are plenty of clips of Shachimu talking schizo. The voices aren’t the same. Why do you think this is the one roommate that is generating discussion? There are other girls with previous BFs and even lewd videos, but this is the one people think is fishy.

    • every roommate dox generates people saying it isn’t real because they’re in denial. this one is pretty black and white.

  • I LAUGHED MY ASS OF WHEN YOU GUYS TRIED TO DOX WHEN ACTUALLY THEY’RE TWO DIFFERENT PERSON HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Can you delete some private information like address? I’m concerning about here real life now.

    • “Different” yet they all have the same nose, chin, cheeks, eyes and earlobes. Did you mess up your prescription?

    • And he followed Korone… and Gura… And Subaru. Damn Shachimu sure can be in a lot of places at the same time!

    • There’s no need to cope, though. These are all relatively normal and to be expected for someone in her 20s.

  • Honestly this information is irrelevant and it is not 100% a reliable source, I do not want to affirm anything but the voices are completely different and the photos taken from the ass do not prove anything.

    Why do they give so much importance to the asshole who wants to doxx this vtuber with irrelevant information?

    • So why were the videos made private and deleted?
      (At the same time as Nanashi Mumei’s debut)

      Why has the shachimu Twitter account also been made private?

      The voice in the private video is exactly the same.

  • I don’t see anything wrong with her. Why are people selling and consuming copium over this?

  • Oh no she has a boyfriend!….. is what losers living in their mothers basement that never go outside would say

  • I never thought Hololive would accept girls with boyfriends. It makes it easy for people to become haters and dox them even more, because they’re butthurt that their anime girl streamer has a boyfriend. Especially since she said she had a bf very recently and are probably still in a relationship with him. But oh well, i still love my cute adorable goofball and as a bonus she also looks super cute in real life

  • Bold of her to join Hololive despite knowing that most of the fanbase are weeaboos who have never touched a woman in their life and who think that “pure idols” really exist. It’s gonna suck for the rest of us because she was too innocent/stupid to think she didn’t need to erase her past before joining and at this rate she’s probably gonna graduate prematurely just like Mano Aloe.

    It’s gonna be interesting though… If she quits within a month or two then she’s gonna confirm all the “rumors” and then goodbye internet, at least for a while because the haters are gonna bully her as shachimu. And if she doesn’t quit then she’s up for some real pain because she knows there’s people out there knowing she’s not a cute and pure lil anime owl.

    But anyways give us a break guys. The rest of us only see vtubers as entertainers and just want to have fun watching their streams while making our wallets cry.

    • It’s holo EN, she’s fine.
      EN fanbase wont outrage over something like this lol
      Just look at gen 1, they’re still at it.

      • Honestly even the JP audience doesn’t give a shit. You get your usual bunch of a**ho**s, but they just make some noise and vanish after a week or so. How long as Pekora been with her boyfriend for now?

    • I have to disagree, yeah there are some idiots, but they don’t represent the majority
      the whole vtuber community is on another level now, unless the talent really fuck themself up, i don’t think any malicious individual could cause any damage

      • to be a cuckold you had to be in a relationship with her in the first place. you had no shot. you have no shot with any woman because woman find you creepy.

        • Dude, you freely support her relationship with another men. Is it really makes you happy? Then I have some bad news for you.
          Also can’t wait for you to show how your iron muscles makes all the bitches wet

          • lol wtf? i could care less if any of these people are in relationships because i dont have parasocial relationships with any of them you fucking weirdo.

            you don’t watch them for entertainment. thats the difference. you’re a fucking weirdo that probably collects peoples hair and has weird shrines devoted to these vtubers and the thought of a boyfriend destroys this reality for you.

            you can’t fathom the thought that people are watching them for entertainment, not because they consider them a waifu you fucking weirdo. you’re going to die alone because no woman will ever want to be near you in reality you socially inept chud.

  • I don’t think many Japanese fans care if she has a boyfriend unless she reveals it.
    Bat, if she reveals or brags about it, Japanese fans will get angry.

  • This goes beyond her having a boyfriend. She’s a cheating whore. She even has leaked nudes. And don’t get me wrong she’s free to do whatever the fuck she wants with her life, but she’s not worthy of being called an idol. But what really bothers me is the fact that she didn’t even try to hide her past. She’s either too stupid or maybe she doesn’t even care, which is worse. I don’t know what the hololive staff was thinking. Couldn’t they even do a simple research about this girl’s background?

    I hope she quits soon. Just having her around is sickening. She forgor she was a disgusting whore.

  • I mean, Behind these Vtubers are just normal people, like us. Not trying to defend her, just saying that I’m watching Mumei, not the person behind her, idgaf abt her past life. Grow up

    • Same, but it still feels awkward watching Mumei now after seeing all this, y’know what i mean

    • Well, it’s just reducing the novelty. It’s not “unethical” like how Ceres doing GFE when she’s having a bf (and even bragging about it on her roomies), but it’s defo gonna change how you perceive the “character” when they’re streaming.

      • If you don’t want to know your favorite entertainers have boyfriends, I seriously suggest you stop looking into their histories. You really have no one to blame but yourself. And you never possessed any ownership over them, expecting any entertainer to be beholden to upholding your fantasies off screen is a bit rich.

        And wow, they’re not friendless, loveless hikikomoris. Ruined forever.

        • I can agree about the Ignorance is bliss part but honestly i don’t give a fuck that she got a bf or not, nor expecting every chuubas to be the carbon copy of early Aqua, but the context is if you know about these stuffs, it’s totally gonna change how you perceive some of the kayfabe that they did (Pretty much the reason why even now there’s still a lot of her fans that vehemently denied that she’s shachi). It’s not even an opinion, it’s just something that naturally gonna happen in this case.

          Hell, Ceres is my favorite among council right now because outside of ASMR streams that I did not care about, her gaming and SC streams are actually entertaining to watch/listen to, but it will reduce the novelty of her kayfabe since you knew “some stuffs”.

          • Well that’s why it’s generally hidden, and forbidden knowledge rules exist for a reason. I mean I’m sure there’s plenty of people disappointed that Korone is approaching forty, or conversely that Calli is the second youngest of her generation. I was thrown for a loop by the knowledge that Coco wasn’t some fearsome American dragon, but a tiny, polite looking cutie.

            On the other hand the knowledge that Fauna really was a wholesome slice of wholesome, who made some AMSR’s that really helped a lot of people deal with some real shit? Or that Kiara has a history that you could write a novel about, and has worked for more than a decade looking for her big break?

            It’s always a toss up, looking for this stuff, but you lose all right to complain by doing so. And yes, they’re not anime girls, yes, they’re not seventeen or seven thousand, and yes, none of them are virgins. That’s a assumption you should make even before you begin with anything remotely spicy honestly.

  • It is not shachimu she did a small karaoke session today during her super chat stream the voice is not the same she also did a drawing stream her drawing style is not the same at this point i feel like people saying mumei is shachimu are just being stubborn everyone else i feel this website got right for en gen 2 but mumei is not shachimu. This shachimu girl also lives in texas now that is a 3 hour time difference from east coast usa and a 2 hour time difference to west coast usa mumei streamed today at 6pm my time and was talking about being hungry for dinner. So this girl from texas whom is mumei eats dinner at 3pm-4pm like some granny with all due respect my ass she does. Please update this page to at least reflect newer info lets not forget the newer unconfirmed info that she might be in a wheelchair and this girl shachimu is not in a wheelchair also shachimu does not sound mentally disabled mumei is definitely on the autistic spectrum. Mumei also has legit memory issues that is not an act so what this info is telling me is that people think shachimu is playing a retard act hiding her chibi art style ability purposefully singing in a new voice and that she eats dinner around the time your grandfather and grandmother eats dinner. That you all boil her down to a master manipulator DC like super villain a literal lex luthor if you will all so she can hide if she is shachimu the girl who has the BF in this post. with all due respect whomever is the VA for mumei is not this shachimu girl unless you also want to now add moved time zones to the list to keep this very dead rrat alive for the lols after all mumei is the lex luthor of the english Vtuber industry. In before somone reply to me then why did shachimu private her twitter i would too if i had weirdos tweeting at me ” are you mumei omg mumei is shachimu you looks like you have a BF how dare you join hololive you wh**e ! “

  • LOL
    if that is the best you got for me is the he is in denial bullshit here is your (you) i will take my leave now

  • LMAO you guys are retarded she doesn’t care about your opinions. She joined hololive to get fame and money. It’s the same for all the hololive members. They’re not real idols. Heck, even real idols aren’t idols. Girls like these only care about money, fame, and s*x, in that order. I bet they all laugh behind their viewers’ backs when the streams are over. I hope Meimei buys something nice to her boyfriends with the money you give to her lol

    Wake up guys! You’ve been domesticated. Stop being herbivores. Go out and get a piece of real meat. I assure you there’s plenty of p***y out there. Stop simping. Vtubers only care about your money. They secretly hate you and they think you’re stupid.

    • If you wanted money you’d become an accountant, if you wanted fame you wouldn’t stream anonymously on youtube, and if you wanted s*x you’d work in JA*s.

      And hell, her boyfriend seems like a chad, and he has to deal with pathetic virgins talking shit about him on Youtube. If my support allows her to buy nice things for the people she loves, rock on.

      • IKR everybody knows it’s better to study for several years and pay thousands of dollars to get a bachelor’s degree just so that you can do a boring 9 to 5 job than to become a Vtuber and make hundreds or thousands of dollar A DAY just for playing games, singing, and chatting (I know they have to pay taxes but you get the point)

        “If you wanted fame you wouldn’t stream anonymously on youtube”. REALLY!? Are you even aware of how popular Vtubers are right now? Literally hundreds of girls that used to stream showing their faces turned into Vtubers just so that they could reach a bigger audience (Matsuri, Coco, Rushia, Korone, Fubuki, Miko, etc.)

        I don’t think her boyfriend cares about what Mumei’s fans have to say, and I agree with you: there’s nothing wrong with her buying nice things for the people she loves. I mean, that’s the definition of a job. You work so that you can get nice things for yourself and for your beloved ones. You can simp all you want, there’s nothing wrong with that. Nobody can stop you. Just don’t pretend she cares about you or any of her viewers.

        • Running into this kind of success and money is a very happy accident. It’s equivalent to dumpster diving, in the hope you’ll one day find a million pound note. No one sane goes into art or entertainment for money.

          As for fame, all idols and entertainers carry a streak of narcissism, but it’s a rather odd choice to stream behind avatars and fake names if you’re interested in getting your image out.

          As for not caring about people… I feel you’re seriously projecting here dude. Functional people care about individuals in a general sense, and since this girl does charity work I’m fairly sure she’s functional on at least an average level. Of course she doesn’t care about us personally, but honestly I feel a lot of these girls are way TOO invested in the individual opinions of their fanbase.

          • “Running into this kind of success and money is a very happy accident”. Dude… that only applies to the very first members, like Sora, Suisei, Roboco, etc. For them it really was a happy accident that they could make good money off VTubing. Pretty much all the newest members are leeching off the hard work of their sempais. Sure, they still have to work hard, but they have it a lot easier than the first members, and it’s gotten to the point where the success of Hololive attracts girls who are only after the money.

            “As for fame…”. Good point. I’m just saying Gura quitted being Senzawa for a reason. Same thing with Shachimu-Mumei. I don’t know about you, but I never heard of Senzawa or Shachimu before they joined Hololive. So maybe being more widely known (aka famous) was one of their goals? Just my silly theory.

            “I feel you’re seriously projecting here dude”. I don’t know, maybe I am. I guess what I’m trying to say is that people who simp get too emotionally attached to these girls. It’s obviously a one-sided relationship so I feel kinda bad for them. But hey, if you’re cool with that enjoy simping for you favorite girl before she gets sick of you guys and decides to graduate.

          • You’ve so fallen into the trap of thinking Hololive just hires people off the street. Almost all these girls were at it for years or decades of extremely limited success before getting into Hololive, anyone interested in money would have quit and got a real job after the first few years of eating pot noodles in a rat infested apartment. The days when Hololive hired teenagers with no experience are long gone.

            And… please, no matter how hard you try and make it sound red pill and edgy, Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs is not some grand revelation. Yes, generally people care about money and respect, that’s pretty standard. If anything the fact that your insight into the human condition pretty much ends there is the saddest part, because there’s certainly a few other bits in that triangle that you seem to be ignorant of.

            And who’s attached? You’re the one that seems obsessed with who she is and who she’s dating. We’re just here to watch an entertaining streamer.

          • Both of you are missing the point. You guys seem to be smart and I think both of you have good points but it doesn’t matter why they joined, it doesn’t matter if they have a pure heart or if they are street whores. This post is about who’s behind Nanashi Mumei. Simply put this post is right Shachimu is Mumei. If you don’t like it and you still want to support her then learn to live with it and move on. For the rest of the assholes who feel like they can shit on Mumei’s existence just because she’s not what they were expecting, yes you were right. Shachimu is Mumei and she isn’t exactly idol material. Now ask yourselves what do you really get from all this? That’s right you get nothing

  • Today’s spec reveal totally killed the rrat… the she’s not HER rrat. Mumei’s PC is literally on the same spec as Shachi’s.

    At this point owlbros should just make peace that she is HER since even the “she have worser spec than shachi” rrat already debunked by herself, joining all other debunked rrats from the “She’s not HER” camp.

    • I used to make fun of the owlbros for living in denial but at this point it’s just sad to see them trying to come up with some smart theory that magically puts some distance between Mumei and Shachimu.

  • A very honest question: Why do people think that she is a whore or a bitch? I read the text (via Google Translate), and all I see is an average western girl with an extra talent or two. I know about the idol culture but they are not literal idols anyway. Can someone enlighten us, the average hololive enjoyers, about the fuss.

    • Supposedly she was dating several guys at the same time. Here’s the “proof” if you haven’t seen it yet https://files.catbox.moe/vv2y2x.jpg
      She also has a leaked nude, but I’m not sure if I should share it here. The girl covers her face so I don’t know why they say it is her. I’m probably missing a lot of stuff. As far as I know those are the only reasons but I haven’t done a serious research

      • If you’re dating several dudes at the same time, you don’t share it on your social media feed. Seriously, these theories get dumber and dumber.

          • I’m pretty sure a bunch of random Twitter posts taken out of context could prove she killed JFK to some people, but I dare say a far more mundane explanation is infinitely more likely.

        • Fake, proven as such. Stolen from a random girl’s OnlyFans.

          Some people are really gullible. They didn’t even show her face.

  • I had some respect for this site i figured you would take pride in finding the real girl. But no i was wrong no matter how much new info comes out of her with each new stream. You all ignore it stick your heads in the sand and scream its her its her its her. Ha denial ha owl cuck blah blah blah no new updates to site evidence it is not her despite there now being more of it pointing to it not being shachimu then there is pointing to it being shachimu. Someone sed pc specs are the same we got her lol no proof just words even if there was proof you better have a pic of the PC serial number and it matching but anon you do not do you because your full of shit. Because same specs mean jack nothing you know it and i know it because i got a pc with the same specs. As a lot of hololive girls damn i must be one of them do you beleeb it. Start up the rrat figure out which holo girl i am top fucking kek just except it is not shachimu already and start a new search for the real mumei. Have some self integrity and for the butt blast this post will draw because logic. Remember mumei is the lex luthor of the english Vtuber industry. She is her and her plans can not be stopped obey her anons embrace the great autistic lex mumei luthor whom now rules you for her genius is far too incomprehensible and yes anon (if your part of the its her crowd) i am laughing at you.

      • The minute you give it any kind of prolonged thought and cross reference the known facts in this document vs the streams and info clues they drop it falls apart faster than a soggy piece of cake sitting in stinky shit. Literally the rat Vtuber destroyed this rrat when she let out that IRL mumeis time zone is PST/PDT not CDT/MDT (texas time zones) it was the death nail nothing sticks except slight similarities that can be chocked up to coincidence the hard evidence is no good wrong irl girl wrong past life Vtuber. I thank the people for trying to find her but this is not her boyfriend or not it is not her it does not honestly add up unless you make add up where is the victory in that. It Is a victory in the sense that shoving a square block in a circle cut out and slapping the doctor then giving yourself a 170IQ on the IQ test and whipping your ass with it is a victory.

        • Please stop calling Mumei autistic and disabled when you don’t have definite proof.
          NIGGA PLEASE !

        • lmao it’s the same girl. Just accept it already. What you’re saying about time zones is bullshit, she’s obviously trying to deceive some people but honestly you have to be very stupid to believe that that proves anything. It literally takes seconds to change the time zone of your pc, phone, etc. Like, even if it’s true, have you ever heard about moving? When you move across the country time zones can change.

          The number 1 proof is the most obvious one. Shachimu made her twitter and youtube accounts private just as soon as she debuted as Mumei. If it’s not the same girl, why don’t just say “Hey guys I know we sound similar and we have a lot of things in common but I’m not Mumei. So you can leave me alone now. Also thank you for following me because who says no to thousands of free follows”.

          Like, how is it even logical to think “Oh wow look at all the people who think I’m someone I’m not… Better make my accounts private without giving any explanations…”

          But anyways, at this point I know a lot of people are just trolling, like the Lex Luthor gang

          Also Mumei (at least the character) is retarded af like wtf dude

          • Damn you are some sad fuckers to be this so far up your own rrat your right she is a trying to deceive us all grand method actress that she is. It is even more funny that you think luthor posters are just yanking your chain for the laughs because deep down they know your right and not viciously making fun in grand mockery of how this rrat aged and how schizo it makes you dox retards look that you still try to peddle it and believe it. Shes not larping you are fucking high on some good shit if you think this girl is going to fake all that she supposedly did to hide her identity. This reply is not even good bait you see this right here this reply is we luthor post you schizo idiots.

            she gonna slip any day now……..

            any day……………..

            it is just all an act !
            everything is fake !

            any day now……………………..
            any day……………………………………….

            see you in a year maybe ill bring the soda pop and snacks ? ? ? ?
            lmfao

          • I do not know how to say this to you but it is not her your a schizo if you think any of this adds up she is not going to move just to hide her trail from you people and she is not going to move just because she got a streamer job. She is not going to change almost everything about herself including fake a disability for a character. Nothing adds up stay mad and call me stupid all you want schizo. If this was your work feel bad it is shitty and shoddy detective work that would not pass in any other world except the schizo world. People including myself laugh at this document because of how high the bar keeps raising to make the rrat fit. What is the next excuse to keep the very dead rrat alive in your minds schizos have gone past reality and tapped into the comedy absurdity of the character kramer of seinfeld everyone who would have believed this if the evidence was there now luthor posts you schizos so take your meds.

          • lmao ok cool. Now explain to me the number 1 proof that you guys always avoid
            I’m waiting

  • Hoho! Damn! Not simping for anyone but this totally changed my perspective of her… more like wrecked, to be honest. Didn’t know she’s quite a maneater! I’m not into western girls but she doesn’t look bad at all though. Got more info? Any discord server I could join?

  • The fact that this section alone has 72 comments is very telling. Everyone’s got very interested with her because of that assumption that for once we finally get an actual literal who on EN based on her on-stream mannerism, but turns out it’s all just an act (that’s really make it fecked up depending on how you look at it) and knowing the person behind Mumei’s Avatar is like opening a pandora box compared to the other hololive members.

    • Everyone in Hololive is acting and playing their respective characters, but what’s intriguing about Mumei is probably the gap between the personality of her character and the real person behind it. Tbh the “real Mumei” is behaving like any normal American girl her age tho. (Correct me if i’m wrong cause i’m not an American lol)

      • That’s what I meant. Ofc there’s a lore as a foundation for her character that cover gave, but how she delivers it pretty much up to each of their own, and just like you said, the problem with mumei is that huge gap between the character on-stream and the VA behind it, which really fecked up when you consider she chose to be low-key retarded, depending on how you look at it.

  • 彼氏のことはどうせ価値観や生活スタイルがずれて別れるだろうからどうでもいいけど、
    誰がリークしたか知らないけど、EN二期生募集開始直後から最有力はshachimuってずっと言われてたの大当たりですごいな。
    理由がサメの妹分はシャチだろ!って話だったのは、かなり眉唾だったし、100万登録行ってりゃtwitchでsimp貰ってれば別に金も困らんだろうと思ったけど違うんだな。
    10-30万登録で専業できる日本とは違う現実に驚きつつ、海外勢もこれくらいの登録者居ればスポンサーシップ取れるような業界に成長してほしいなあ。

  • tfw Mumei’s page has 78 replies and lord knows how many YouTube cheeky comments on her tail while the literal rape accuser who’s two vtubers above her has 2 replies and can slither around freely. Never change guys.

  • I am Japanese and virgin kitchen(処女厨)I am very sad because of mumei has a bf . l wonder whether holo management hate who have a bf

  • Her boyfriend changed his profile picture and privated his twitter.
    100% sure they’re still together.

  • 何でこの辺境なサイトに海外ニキがたくさんいて彼氏議論してるんだ?4chanとかにURL貼られてるのかな?

    個人的にムメイに彼氏がいても気にしないし、悲しいことにENに興味ある日本人少ないから日本では炎上すらしないだろうね
    俺は応援するけど

  • being a shachi fan before mumei debut, it’s beyond reasonable doubt it’s her, by voice alone. I was watching shachi videos which I planned to download because I had a hunch, specifically her video about bobas (bubble tea), but got privated the next day so I wasn’t able to. and when mumei debut, I realize why. I don’t know why people in comments won’t believe it. it’s the exact same voice.

    I still $imp for mumei tho. idk why her irl self changes anything. you’re not seeking romantic relationship with her are you? coz it’s not gonna happen. not with your anime waifu, not with your vtuber waifu.

    we have our own gfs irl so whats the matter, like we’re ones to judge them

    • Save your breath. There are a lot of Shachi fans out there confirming it is the same girl but a lot of people in the hololive community are either too stupid or too stubborn to accept it. They believe “idols” have to be pure, not have bfs, not have sex, etc. “No fucking way! MY Mumei can’t be this kind of person!”

      To me it is quite clear that behind Shachi and Mumei is the same talented girl. I mean you don’t have to be a genius to figure it out. But somehow it makes the fans uncomfortable to accept that their beloved vtuber waifu is a young and healthy girl who is just living life. The gap between the character and the girl behind it also seems to bother a lot of the fans.

      I guess every internet community has their Human Trash section. There are a lot of creeps who deeply believe that watching vtuber’s streams, following, commenting, buying memberships, and all that somehow gives them the right to judge people. Some of them even believe that they own them, which is truly disgusting.

      But hey the show must go. Fuck the virgins who have never touched a girl in their lives and fuck the creeps who have nothing better to do with their lives.

      As for me, I already found out what I was looking for. Adios!

      • what a nice rant from a local cuckold.
        dude, try to guess WHY we giving OUR time and money to them

        • theres no cuckold going on. you are not mumei’s boyfriend to begin with. what are we cuckolding here? what are you even talking about? im so confused lmao

    • where you invest your time and effort will determine the meaning you derive from it. for some of us its not a big deal who these vtubers are irl but for some people vtubers are all there is. so they can get very upset when something doesnt go their way. there are many ways to give purpose to your life but getting all worked out just because other people dont believe what you believe isnt one of them

      for some people mumei is shachimu for others mumei is not shachi. yet for others mumei is a real anime girl. the thing is mumei can be anything you want her to be theres nothing stopping you from thinking about her in any way you want. just keep it to yourself. seeking validation on the internet doesnt bring real happiness

  • The worst part of all of this is there were countless other girls who were way more deserving of her position and would have made Hololive fans and idol fans way happier. Both her and Fauna were so open about having a boyfriend and yet they were hired anyway. Ultimately, I can’t forgive Hololive’s EN recruiters for tarnishing Hololive as a whole by allowing Mumei and Fauna to join. It casts doubt on everyone else in Hololive, including the JP branch. Is all of Hololive built on lies? Why should I continue to support any of them knowing that are lying to their audience. It makes all of it seem disgusting.

    • Good god, do you seriously think being a hikikomori virgin is part of their recruitment criteria? And I’m pretty sure the number of people who care is much smaller than you think, Hololive has had a pretty mainstream fanbase for a long time now. That’s certainly true for EN, most the audience finds the ‘incel fantasy’ side of idol fandom an active turn off.

    • What made you believe the Hololive girls don’t have boyfriends in the first place?
      Hololive is a group of over 50 women with real lives outside of VTubing. Maybe some of them never had a boyfirend in their life or are single at the moment, but I’m sure many of them have a boyfriend, some have a girlfriend, some are married, etc.
      Mumei and Fauna are nothing new.

  • While I can confirm Shachimu is Mumei’s 3D model, as someone working in an audio studio I am pretty sure about this. But that means nothing. I like Mumei of who Mumei is, and Shachimu’s personality and personal life whatsoever has nothing to do with me liking Mumei.

  • Based on a bunch of these vtuber articles i’ve seen, the detective seems to be the only decent and normal one by western standarts. She surrounded herself with bad people by joining this company, hope she’s careful.

    • You mean Ame? She’s might be single right now but she’s dating someone before a few years back so her virginity was not for you to take anon.

  • Seriously I like Mumei, but her fans are weird.

    Other girls talk about being married, divorced, have kids, have boyfriends, have girlfriends… none of their fans care. Most of them are actively supportive.

    This girl talks about kicking an abusive prick to the curb, before hooking up with a honest chad? Her fans get their crazy all over the site.

  • Well well well somebody need to comment something more,even Mumei nor Hololive really cares about this “truth” lol

  • Weird how Cover can hire Japanese girls that don’t have boyfriends, but every single EN girl has an ACTIVE boyfriend apart from two. How come they can’t find a single western talent that doesn’t have a boyfriend, even among girls that are supposedly involved in VTuber and Otaku culture? What does that say about the difference between Japan and the west?

    恋人がいない日本の女の子をカバーは雇うことができるのに、ENの女の子は2人を除いて全員がアクティブな恋人を持っているのが不思議です。VTuberやオタク文化に関わっていると思われる女の子の中にも、彼氏がいない欧米人タレントが一人もいないのはなぜ?それは日本と西洋の違いを表しているのだろうか?

    • 日本人はもっとプライベートを大切にする傾向があります。それでも彼氏や旦那さんが確定している人も多いので、あなたの思い込みは間違っています。

      彼氏についての最新情報もどこから得ているのかわかりません。私の数えたところでは、デビュー時には3人が独身で、3人が交際していました。その後、大きな変化があったことを示す説得力のある証拠はありません。

    • If there is an actual difference between Japan and the West, I’m not sure it favors Japan. I’m pretty sure the fact that the dangerously tepid birthrate in Japan and the astonishing number of single people is somewhat of a national embarrassment.

      And assuming that any of these girls are single seems like a insult. Do you think they’re incapable of finding love?

    • first of all, look at the JP cultures and birthrate, they simply don’t wanna date
      second, how can u possibly know for sure that they don’t have bf? LOL, like how?
      and third, there’s at least 2 of the jp girls have relationship proofs
      they’re not real “idols”, so I highly doubt the company would care

  • THANKS GOD I FOUND THIS SITE, hahahahaha, you know what is more damaging than a basement weeb?, a 25 years old handsome US weeb that have so much money and speak JP, also know some deep web people plus some real hacker friends that know how to blackmail, boy oh boy, I’m so sad, this owl made me fall for her, now I’m gonna make her fall, I do care about EN girls having boyfriend or not, her and Fauna gonna pay for this, hahahahahaha dude it’s gonna be hella shitstorm, I’m watching the day that you all whiteknights to say “We lost another smile”… all you idiots paid her in superchat for what? thinking she’s your girlfriend or something? I have a standard, if a company is like Nijisanji, sure they are all entertainers, but Hololive is an idol company, EN idols are pure and must not have a boyfriend…damn I’m a sad and lonely person but I’m gonna enjoy what I’m gonna do now

    • Jesus christ, I know I should expect cringe from sites like this, but you’re on a whole other level, stop trying to sound like you are important shit or something, you’re just a nobody, also like someone said in an upper comment of course she is gonna have a bf, just look at how good she looks, if anything else if your fault for daydreaming with platonic people that you’ll never see irl when you should only see them as entertainment.

  • Wow we found the whore of hololive, keep simp and give all your monies to her and she will happily spend them on her 2 boyfriends *cough* I mean 3 boyfriends

  • I see a bunch of retarded butthurt loser kids lol
    she’s a whore? so?
    people don’t know that, and wanna spent money on her cause she provides entertaining contents (and, that’s THEIR MONEY)
    I personally wouldn’t spend a dime on any of them, but LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT
    you weaklings don’t have any shit on your hands, other than time to go on internet and cry about shits that don’t even affect your life
    pathetic jealous bitches

  • Okay, Mumei’s casual female listener here and I’ve been following her since her debut.

    I think it’s my first time witnessing a vtuber page on this website that has this much replies (I see a lot of them throwing hate and some of them still trying to defend(?) her). I honestly feel really sad for her. She’s just a young girl trying her best to adjust and manage her duties: college, hololive, and her personal life (spending time with her “Animal” and her boyfriend). As a college student myself, I can relate on a spiritual level of how stressful and tiring it can be and lately, she often tells about it on streams. She sounds really exhausted to the point as if she could passed out anytime. And to think this girl has time to have boyfriend”s” now? I’m sorry but I think I missed some points on why people in the comment section call her a wh*** because all I can understand is she was just trying to get her female friend away from a toxic relationship(?) (it may be incorrect due to Japanese and English aren’t my mother language). Also as I watch her streams, I feel like she’s actually an intelligent person with some talents in drawing and singing and those are what make me have interest on Mumei.

    But honestly, all the information is somehow not 100% reliable. She maybe has had boyfriends in her previous years of life (her teenager phase?) but c’mon guys, give her a break.. People could change. We keep learning something from our mistakes as life goes on. I just hope people could see her as an entertainer only and support her as it is and didn’t actually seeking something personal with her.

    As a fan, I only wish this girl the best on her life.

  • Just a word, she will not be your girl friend or wife even she is single.
    To be honest, someone said Hololive JP hasn’t this issue, but if you try to search about ”Nozomi Sato(佐藤希) 炎上”, you will know there is no different between EN and JP.

    • Fuck you you sad piece of shit.
      How dare you mention God’s name in a completely unrelated post?

      Don’t fucking go comparing this Mumei whore with Matsuri like they are the same. As one of the very first Hololive members Matsuri actually worked very hard to BUILD this rabbit hole we call Hololive, while this owl thot is just leeching off the hard work of others and is actually helping DESTROY this rabbit hole by being so fake, a whore, and always saying how tired she is during her streams, so that we feel sorry for her and just pretend we’re having fun while we listen to her yawn for like the 1000th time.

      If you’re so fucking tired all the time and you have no time to stream because you have so many things to do (and dating is of course one of those things), then why the fuck did you decide to join hololive in the first place you retarded owl? There were hundreds of other girls who were more worthy of becoming a hololive member than this look-at-me-and-feel-sorry-about-me piece of shit.

      • So Mumei is a whore but even Matsuri told you she live alone but someone opened her room’s door while she was streaming, then she expained she gotinvaded and police already caught that invader in 3 hours. After some viewers told her that is physically impossible, and then she changed her twitter header’s picture to a flip off image, she still a GOD, right?
        Please don’t make me laugh, wake up kiddo

        • Did you even understand my comment? I’m not saying Matsuri is not dating anyone. In fact, I don’t care if any of these girls, the ones who made Hololive what it is today, are married or whatever. What I’m saying is EN and JP are not at the same level. You cannot compare a little shit like Mumei to someone who has contributed so much like Matsuri.

          I mean, unlike you I actually watch their streams, and honestly Mumei acts like being a Vtuber is such a pain in the ass. This is nothing new. In JP we have members like Mel and Choco Sensei, both have a regular job and lots of other stuff to do, yet they never complain about being a Vtuber, they try their best during their streams. And if it ever gets to the point in which they can no longer stream in a way that is fun and entertaining to their viewers, they would graduate before they start complaining to their viewers.

      • Right, both of you lay off, because neither girl deserves this level of stupid.

        …for a start Matsuri has outright said that Holomem are allowed to date, notes that many of her colleagues are married, and extensively talks about her desire for romance and a cute boyfriend or girlfriend. She’s said that she’s dated in the past, both men and women.

        No fan of her would for a moment indulge in this incel shit. Any one who does has obviously never even watched her.

        • So where’s the proof that MOST of them are married?
          Actually, Matsuri never said anything more that holomem allowed to date. Sge never said that most of members are married.

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loO708q0ncg “Is love banned at Hololive?”
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCWKCyDpdU “I have an ex-girlfriend”

            https://twitter.com/masimasi0/status/1318403089649475585 “People around me are getting married”
            There was more in that vein, though my head already hurts. Matsuri tweets a LOT.

            Regardless, Korone, Mio and Aki have all got at least one child. Watame was in a long term relationship the last anyone checked. Pekora is strongly suggested to be too. AKZi is married. And that’s just the stuff they outright confirmed on twitter.

            Ironically the only one who has categorically never dated (or at least had not done so just a little over a year ago) is Calliope. So there’s your seiso idol.

          • Unless you consider outright tweeting “I got married” as rumor, I feel it’s fairly convincing evidence.

          • Watame’s relationship and Korone’s marriage was confirmed, but rest is unconfirmed rumors.
            …guys, do you really think that Peko-chan is still in relationship? look at her stream schedule, lol.
            And about AZKi. She’s so damn famous utaite and still no any proofs of marriage. You guys love to spread unconfirmed rumors, I see

          • AKZi is well known to also work under the name Nayuta, who confirmed her marriage on new years 2020. Mio had a son in 2013 I believe (though I’m not 100% certain of the exact date), which is why she went on hiatus from then till 2015. I don’t know if Pekora is still with Junichi, but she was clearly so through 2020, and Junichi got married this August.

          • Where did AZKi confirmed her marriage?
            I checked nayuta’s both twitter and member-only new year stream and didn’t find anything.

      • Nozomi Sato has a personal pet furry who would plow her behind before and after stream same as Mumei. You are not and will not even get even a tiny bread crumbs from them anon. Don’t over dose on copium and be careful of the door on your way out.

  • You guys are boring. However I’ve got something fun to share with y’all.
    For those who missed it, here’s her leaked nude: https://files.catbox.moe/x.jpg
    Just replace the x with my username.
    I should mention I don’t know where this pic originated other than I got it from 4chan. I also dunno why people are so sure it’s her. As some of my dudes here have already mentioned, the girl in the pic is covering her face and the pic is at an angle, so at least in my opinion there’s no way to know if it’s her or not for sure. But yeah, if you wanna find out just do your diligent research as I can’t help you with that.
    Btw don’t even bother trying to track my ass, as I’m behind 7 VPNs.
    Greetings from the city of Beijing, in Mexico, right next to Africa.

    • Again, that’s snowkittyofmars. Totally different person.

      Skom must be thrilled to be getting all this attention, if a little confused.

      • Yup that’s totally snowkittyofmars, aka марс. Here’s a few links you guys can use as a reference:
        https://www.reddit.com/r/snowkittyofmars/
        https://onlyfans.com/snowkittyofmars

        For those saying there’s no way to know because she’s covering her face, here’s her face:
        https://files.catbox.moe/htat7p.jpg

        So yeah, that’s totally not her but now I understand why people think Shachimu/Mumei is a hoe. I thought it was just because she was dating someone. I’m now 100% sure that an Anti started spreading this rumor because Shachimu and Skom don’t even look alike.

        • It’s because they’re obsessed with her. Look at the dislikes on her streams, sixteen, seventeen? This is just one guy, with a few hangers on, spreading rumors and calling her a whore because he’s obsessively attracted to her.

          It’s kinda sad.

  • My god are some people retarded here. Why the fuck does it matter who the vtubers are previously? So what if they have a personal life aside from being a vtuber? You really think all vtubers are shut-ins with no social life?

    Some people are so fixated on this outdated concept of idols being “pure and virgin.” For what? So you can project yourselves as their boyfriend/husband?

    I only watch clips of vtubers when I come across them on YouTube, so I am not invested in this community at all. So don’t come at me with the cuckold bullshit because frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck.

    Don’t watch her if you don’t like her, simple as that.

    • I mean, it’s not like you get automatically redirected to this website after watching a few vtuber clips, so your ‘Why the fuck does it matter who the vtubers are previously?’ seems kinda out of place.

      I agree with you for the most part, but I’ve come to the conclusion that COVER Corp, the company behind Hololive, is also to blame. YAGOO himself used to refer to Hololive as a “virtual idol agency”. But at some point they decided to drop “idol” from the description and now Hololive is simply a “vtuber agency.”

      So basically they are not idols. However, this leads to a lot of confusion for the fans, because some members call themselves idols. And if you’re a fan from like 2018, you’ve probably gotten used to see them as idols just because that’s the way they were presented to you back then. I means, just look atSuisei’s catchphrase:

      “It’s your shooting star, your diamond in the rough, idol VTuber Hoshimachi Suisei!”

      Pekora and other members also call themselves idols. Also, the joke regarding YAGOO’s dream is based on the fact that Hololive members are not true idols, seiso idols, which implies that they’re still idols, just not seiso.

      So yeah, if you’re a hardcore idol fan you know what to expect from idols and of course you’re gonna be pissed if the girls are not acting like idols. So you might say, “Hey your concept of idols is outdated”. Well, maybe, but then again the fans weren’t the ones putting the “idol” label on these girls. It was COVER Corp. and some of the Hololive members themselves.

      So basically what I’m trying to say is don’t call yourself an idol if you’re not gonna act like one. And if you’re the owner of Hololive, it would probably be smart to tell the girls to stop calling themselves idols because they are not true idols. And by the way, even if the concept of an “idol” changes a little bit over the years, it will always mean Seiso Idol.

      But yeah, most of the fans are already aware of that, especially the old ones, the ones who were told to see them as idols. And that’s one of the reasons why the girls can make jokes about being idols and all that stuff. But most of the newer fans get confused by all of this and that’s why they get so mad when they find out that these girls have boyfriends, are married, have kids, or whatever.

      Oh and by the way, I’ve never heard any of the EN girls call themselves idols, so be smart and don’t expect them to act like idols.

      • God damn, finally a sane person. Thank you.

        My “Why the fuck does it matter who the vtubers are previously” line was meant to say that it doesn’t matter who they were, who they dated, what they did (to a certain extent); what matters if who they are now and what they offer to the people who watch them. In this case, it doesn’t matter who Mumei dated. If you like her, then watch her; if not, then don’t.

        I suppose COVER Corp did contribute to this whole mess with their inconsistent idol labeling. However, really in my opinion, idols or not, they should be able to have a normal social life outside of this vtuber job. If we are using idol as an example, many KPOP idols probably have boyfriends/girlfriends yet the fans still like them as usual, this should be the norms in this community as well. I like your stance, and I respect it. Though I’m still baffled by the people getting made because their favorite vtuber is in a relationship, it’s just so petty and pathetic, retarded if you will.

        Then again I only discovered vtubers when the EN branch pop up, so I’m not a harecore fan by any means. I like the clips that show up on YouTube, and I will watch them if I’m bored, they are nice I suppose. I only go on these sites because I’m curious what they did prior to vtubing since Gura/Senzawa case was very interesting. But if people are going batshit crazy on the vtuber backgrounds, I don’t know, don’t search them up next time? Don’t watch them if you don’t like them? Go touch grass or something?

      • This explains a lot. It’s like a generalization fallacy.

        Pekora is an idol.
        Pekora is a hololive member.
        All hololive members are idols.

        I don’t think the girls from hololive EN fully understand what it means to be an idol though. At least not in the same way the JP girls understand it.

        Relevant video. Calli is asked if she sees herself as an idol.
        https://youtu.be/Rn-AyoSMIaY?t=246

        It’d be nice to ask that question to every hololive member. That way you’d know what to expect from them and you could judge them accordingly.

        • Call me disconnected or whatever, but why do idols have to not be in a relationship?

          Say they are in a relationship, does it change anything? Are their content going to be worse automatically? I think not. If you enjoy the entertainment they bring, then you do; if you don’t, you don’t, it’s not rocket science.

          Say they are not in a relationship, does it change anything? Are they suddenly going to be more fun to watch? Are the content going to be upgraded magically? No, it straight up doesn’t make sense lmao.

          • Well here I’m gonna roast myself a little bit but whatever. I’m a former idol fan. I liked Nogizaka46, Keyakizaka46, and other idol groups.
            There’s like an unwritten pact between fans and idols. Fans support these girls financially and idols have to be pure, not have boyfriends, shake hands with them, etc., anything that lets the fans live in their little fantasies however fucked up it may sound. The point is both parties agree to this pact.

            It’s not more fun, it doesn’t change anything, it’s just the fact they didn’t do what they promised to their fans. As the comment I answered to said, if you’re gonna call yourself an idol you better mean it otherwise you’re gonna get a lot of hate. Girls are aware of this too but of course they’re gonna agree with this unwritten pact because that’s the selling point of idols. If you don’t like it then announce your solo debut and see how it goes. Surprisingly in Korea and Japan it’s very hard to make it to the top as a solo artist so it’s kind of a dilemma. In fact it’s harder to make it to the top if you used to be in an idol group because you’re kinda seen as a traitor or something. If you’re aware of kpop idols you should know most of this though.

            And like I said a lot of this is cultural. There’s a lot of things only Asian fans understand when it comes to idol culture. Asian fans are a lot more harsh than we western fans are. It’s funny to admit it but we western fans are a lot more liberal when it comes to our public figures and entertainers. Asian fans care a lot about public image and groups of people, while we western fans tend to care about the individuals.

            There’s an experiment in which Asian kids are asked if a boy in a picture is happy. Even if the boy is smiling they will say no. Why? Because there’s a bunch of kids around him none of which seems to be happy. When they asked the western kids the same question they said like yeah sure can’t you see he’s smiling?

          • Hmmm my knowledge on this deeper end of idol thing is very shallow. I didn’t follow any idol and only discovered this stuff recently, so I wouldn’t know. Frankly, I’m not that knowledgeable of KPOP idol stuff either, all I know is that this “unwritten pact” wasn’t in effect and that dating was fine among them. Perhaps ignorance on my part, I just thought this “unwritten pact” was something the fans just imposed on their vtuber idol for their personal fantasy. I suppose culture does play a role in it. If that’s what being an idol means in Japan or something, I guess the fans will have this type of expectation. Though even if it’s both side, I still find this type of thinking to be absurd, it’s like some sort of feudal concept, but let’s just leave it at that.

        • Lots of idols are allowed to date now though. It’s a really old fashioned rule, that is now actually illegal to enforce. The constant scandals that hit groups like AKB48 have made it clear that the rule was never followed in the first place, and Minami Minegishi continued on for six years despite having a boyfriend. It didn’t even hit her popularity in the long term.

          Many idol groups these days, like Hololive, explicitly do not possess dating bans. They’re considered a turn off to casual and overseas fans, which comprise a huge section of Hololive’s audience. Korean idols (which have well eclipsed the popularity of Japanese ones) only have a short term dating ban generally.

          It’s also totally impractical for Hololive. RL idol groups recruit in the teens and early twenties, many of Hololive’s most successful members are in their thirties. You don’t find that many chaste thirty year olds.

          • Is it really that old fashioned though? I think you guys are making a lot of assumptions. Here’s what Pekora understands by being an idol:

            (55 secs vid) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpimhPvQxqc
            (~2 minutes, extract form a compilation) https://youtu.be/SfXX-oo1SPw?t=118

            Peko-jokes aside, I think it’s crystal clear what she’s implying by saying she’s an idol. Or maybe Pekora is over 30 years old, hence her understanding of what it means to be an idol is outdated? Is that what you’re saying? If you’re a girl from the JP branch and you say you’re an idol, I’m pretty sure this is what they mean.

          • Pekora has always been (somewhat oddly) really attached to the ‘classical idol’ thing. The kind of idol that lost a lot of it’s credibility in 2016. Maybe it is because she grew up with those kind of idols, being twenty seven now. Maybe it just appeals to her.

            It’s a bit strange because her background and past history isn’t really that pure, and there’s bountiful evidence that she’s been involved with Junichi Kato for years now. A lot of her fans kinda take it as fact that she’s married to him, and even has kids. She’s also… a pretty wacky streamer, with one of the most mainstream audiences in the company, and seems to fall very much on the ‘comedian’ side.

            But yeah. Likely the most attached to the idol thing in the company, after Sora and Suisei. At this point I just shrug and figure it’s “because Pekora”. Whatever she’s doing clearly works.

            Very few of the others push the idol image though, Marine and Okayu have spoken out against being considered one, and whole skits have revolved around the fact that most of the company are far from the ideal. The most famous and notable centered somewhat appropriately around Aqua, who started her career streaming with her boyfriend. Pekora is certainly not the standard.

          • Of course. I can’t argue with what you’re saying. However, this leads us back to what the comment above by ‘N Goblins was saying. If you’re gonna say you’re an idol then act like an idol. Otherwise don’t act surprised if the fans get mad at you because you have a boyfriend or whatever, because you’re also at fault.

            Good for Marine and Okayu. Less pressure for them and you don’t feel like you’re not meeting the expectations of your fanbase. Also it doesn’t help that yagoo and the staff use the idol label very poorly. They even called their first original-only concert “Hololive Idol Project 1st Live ‘Bloom” and this is from 2021.

            Like seriously. If you go to its homepage you can literally see the idol label on top of the girls as the images scroll by lmao
            https://bloom.hololive.tv/

          • Well it’s still a question of what even is a idol, because you can’t really hold them to a definition that was deeply shaky after Minami Minegishi shaving her head in 2013, outright made illegal in 2016, and made an extremely bleak joke when Maho Yamaguchi was assaulted in 2018. Or to the standard a really old and rather conservative group like AKB48 imposes (though AKB48’s dating ban is an utter joke). The idol group Dempagumi.inc has had members go on maternity leave, and as I mentioned dating is common with Kpop idols (and honestly, part of the appeal. Celebrity gossip!)

            Idols dating has been a thing for almost a decade now, and though I don’t think there’s ever been a married RL idol (simply for practical reasons I figure) there’s been fan pressure for a few idols to continue after marriage. Most idol fans are against the dating ban, 74% disagreed with it in 2016, and the opposition has only increased since then. And that’s from hardcore fans (as the poll was circulated through fan groups).

            These days the idol concept has been pretty much boiled down to it’s core, “a entertainer who encourages a close emotional bond with their fans”.

      • You seem to be illiterate or brain damaged? Perhaps both?

        I don’t give two shits about vtubers nor I do worship them like some of you sick fucks. Simply put, I don’t care if she has 1 boyfriend or 10 boyfriends, it doesn’t make any difference for me. I don’t watch her.

        I’m here to mock at your pathetic ideals and laugh at how retarded you look when your vtuber idol doesn’t fit your expectation. Go touch some grass.

        • If you wouldn’t be interested you won’t come here, that’s simple.
          Don’t worry, noone stops you from enjoying your cuckold fetisches.

          • No rebuttals on my first statement? So you are illiterate and brain damaged, guess my expectation was too high for you.

            To quote from my first post, “I only watch clips of vtubers when I come across them on YouTube, so I am not invested in this community at all. So don’t come at me with the cuckold bullshit because frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck.”

            I. DON’T. CARE. ABOUT. THEIR. PERSONAL. LIFE. SO. MISS. ME. WITH. THE. CUCKOLD. TRASH.

            As to why I’m here, “I only go on these sites because I’m curious what they did prior to vtubing since Gura/Senzawa case was very interesting.”

            Then again, I don’t expect you to read or understand since your brain is malfunctioned. So you do you, no one is stopping you from being an autistic retard.

          • It seems you absolutely have no interest in such discussion so you just keep answering to all the comments here, good job. I hope your brain is not malfunctioned.

    • Who the fuck said that idol concept is outdated? Go fuck yourself. If you think that idol concept should not exist get out from vtubers and watch western pop stars who is 45734573 married 324632635 divorsed and have 3573457357 childs from 345735474 different men.

      • You are retarded. Go touch some grass.

        If she didn’t have a boyfriend, do you really think you have a chance? No, you are probably an 30 years old virgin who is living in his mom’s basement jerking to vtuber streams 24/7.

        Not going to stop you from projecting yourself as the vtubers’ boyfriend because that seems to be how your puny brain cope with the society.

        And yes, I said the idol concept is outdated. Are you mad? Cry me a river.

        • It’s not me being mad, it’s just you being retaded, or just enjoying other men dicks. Go donate some red superchats, Mumei’s boyfriend need some free condoms from your generous support.

          • Why am I should be mad? It’s not me sending money for free condoms for Mumei’s BFs

          • “Why am I should be mad?” What does this even mean? Do you understand grammar?

            And if you could read, perhaps comprehend basic English, not asking a lot here.

            If you just read, WHERE did I say I was sending superchats to Mumei? Where? Please I want to know.

            I have not once, but twice, maybe the third time now, stated that I don’t watch vtubers religiously like some of you do, so why would I care how many boyfriends Mumei has? Or if she has any at all? It doesn’t concern me, she is just like any random person you would see on the street for me.

            If you are not mad or just don’t care, you wouldn’t have commented this aggressively lmao, it’s obvious that you care.

          • If you don’t care then why do you keep responding here? It’s not like you’re going to convince anyone.

  • People here are so funny, I’m honestly having a laugh looking at everyone fighting lol. On one side there are these people who are malding because their vtuber idol mumei has a boyfriend. Oh no my idol has a boyfriend oh no. On the other side there are these tryhards arguing about this idol culture and how the idol social life doesn’t matter. xd

    • Cool story bro. Just don’t pretend you’re better than the rest of us. People like you is easy to figure out. You probably wrote a comment above, it didn’t go well, you got your feelings hurt and now you’re writing a new comment pretending none of this has anything to do with you because you’re not on anyone’s side.

      • You really do like to assume things don’t you? I didn’t say I was better than anyone nor did I comment previously. Just based on that, I can officially say I am at least better than you because I have the decency to not assume things. I am in fact not on anyone’s side because I find both side to be hilarious, just enjoy the content lmao.

    • I’m going to fully admit I’m here mostly because it’s funny to verbally spar with people sporting the debating skills of nine year olds and laugh at their important rage about things everyone knows and no one but them cares about.

      And god, I hate myself for it. I had… like two moments of actual intelligent debate here, and the rest has just been me, thirty years old, laughing at socially maladjusted children. Why do I keep coming back here? Is this the kind of animal I am, under the pseudo intellectual bullshit?

      Everyone here needs to find better things to do with their time, especially me.

      • Same tbh, I’m just hopping on when I have free time from homework just to argue with people here. It’s funny because they get mad so easily.

        Obviously I would appreciate intelligent debate if the opportunity arises, but when people just keep bringing up “ah cuckold loser” and “omg you buy condoms for her boyfriends”, you deadass can’t expect me to respond normally to your buffoonery. I can’t lmao. It doesn’t even make sense.

        • Lol loser schoolboy. Don’t you have some shame to use your parent’s savings for the regular internet whore?

          • What do you really know about me? Me being in school is better than your boomer ass sitting in your mom’s basement twindling with your figures while watching vtubers all day lmao.

            I didn’t even send any money to Mumei so I don’t know what you’re trying to say/prove here?

            Try harder next time.

  • oh gosh you guys are so fucking cringe… next time I’ll just wait for the youtube algorithm to work its magic

    • I was scrolling on my phone and like, OMFG 90% of this page is the comment section.
      And i feel like losing lots of brain cell to reading all this comments XD

      Great read tho, 9/10.

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